Response to a YES supporter who actually believe the YES campaigns lies

What HE said(remember this topic was originally titled Prop 8 & Mormons):

very well said (topic initiators name removed)

During the yes on 8 rallies, you wouldn't believe the crap a small group of people yelled at us. From "cocksuckers" to "bigots" and plenty of F-bombs to go along with it. I was surprised of the venom directed at normal clean-cut well dressed people, sometimes with younger kids, who smiled and waved no matter what was said to them.

I have been involved with plenty of sidewalk protests in my life. 99% of these people had never done anything like this. They are moms and dads with normal jobs and lives who fear the radical homosexual agenda and what could happen if gay marriage was allowed to continue.
I looked into what happened to the public schools when gay marriage was legalized in Mass. Teachers could read gay children's books in class without notifying the parents (these kids were 5 and 6 yrs. old) When a father confronted the principle about the garbage his kid came home with, he was hauled away by the police. (probably for hate crimes)

They want you to think it's about equal rights, blah, blah, blah but the truth is they already have every right that married people have with civil unions. They aren't denied anything. Legalized gay marriage is the trojan horse they are using to not only get to young children but also the means of suing churches who refuse to marry them. You can find a lot of evidence if you look into some of the court battles that have taken place. From adoption agencies getting shut down for refusing to let gay couples adopt to a wedding photographer who was sued for not shooting a gay wedding.

Who wants to deal with this in CA? Look at a gay person the wrong way at work and get fired or get sued for whatever reason so they can use the "gay card!" They wonder why people are sick and tired of this?

To Mormons, marriage is a lot more than a legal contract between party A and party B.

What I said:

Gay people don't have equal rights. Calling their relationships by another name but giving them the same rights still isn't equal. That is like likening it to the separate water fountains for African Americans and White people and telling the African Americans that they should be happy because they are still drinking the same water because it comes from the same pipe. Separate is not equal, so YES, they are fighting for equal rights and having their life validated under the same name that everyone else gets to have. And, their is NO radical gay agenda, that is such a homophobic thing to say. During NO on 8 rallies, I was proselytized to, given the finger, called vulgar names, assaulted and more...it wasn't just happening to your side and it is ignorant to imply such. And comparing us to Mass. is ridiculous, we have stricter laws here than their education laws. Never mind the fact that the actual law in CA indicates that if they are going to teach marriage that they have to teach "respect for marriage and COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS...last time I checked that would already include domestic partnerships that we have had for years, so teaching wouldn't change just because it was under a different word. Also, there have been tolerance programs in schools for YEARS and they include tolerating homosexuals. Prop 8 didn't save children from anything, if anything, all the press behind it made people have to teach their children now anyway because they were seeing the same propaganda In fact, the YES campaign can be credited for advancing that education that they so feared...congrats on that one, good move! And that father in Mass. who was hauled off to jail was because he got violent because they said there was no specific homosexual education to opt out of, their was no specific homosexual curriculum, and then he got violent because they couldn't comply with something that didn't even exist. Churches have been able to refuse to marry anyone they want to since the creation of churches, that right was not going to change, many churches refuse to marry people who are not members anyway. What makes you think that gay people are going to want to get married somewhere they are not accepted? Once again, I commend you for buying into the Yes campaigns lies. Adoptions are governed by the government and adoption agencies have to follow governments law, so if they have a religious affiliation they can't use that to deny adoptions. It is against the law to do that and thus the reason why the Catholic adoption agency in Mass. shut its doors because they didn't want to comply with law and allow gay people to adopt, they have no right to go against law and they had to make that decision because what they were doing was breaking the law. Mormon Doctrine specifically calls out that marriage is a civil contract from the government and that it isn't just to mingle religious influence with civil government (previously posted by my beautiful wife, Suzette)...so they were violating their own religions practices.

However, I do congratulate you on making a stance, even though you were influenced by the Yes campaigns lies. I am glad you have an opinion and it is your right to have one, however misguided, ill informed and discriminatory that it may be. Don't worry, gay people will always fight for civil rights, not just for themselves but for everyone. We and all people should believe in equality for all and not relegate a part of our society to second class citizen status. Because of this election, I am PROUD to be an American but ASHAMED to be a Californian!